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Wednesday, March 15, 2017

Feminism is cultural Marxism

A detailed article on the Redstockings and their influence on feminism at Return of Kings:
In many ways, 1969 was a pretty cool year, but it was also during a wave of crazy radicalism that made today’s upsurge of rent-a-mobs seen like a croquet match. During that year, a group of New York feminists dropped a bomb on civilization. They called themselves the Redstockings; the color red was a reference to Communism.

They’re a bit obscure these days, but back then, they were big enough to have a few chapters around the USA. Ellen Willis and Shulamith Firestone co-founded it; the latter having been a co-founder of New York Radical Women a year and a half previously. Soon after, some lesser lights (or dimmer bulbs) of the Sisterhood joined them. Firestone was one of the co-authors of their Redstockings Manifesto, before abandoning ship later that year to co-found yet another outfit.

This document became quite influential. For example, it’s in a list of essential feminist manifestos, along with other items by Valerie Solanas (number one, bless her heart), Andrea Dworkin, and another by Firestone herself. Since the Terrible Trio wrote four items on that top ten list, consider them a fair sampling of what feminism is all about. Remember that if anyone tries to tell you that those types don’t represent at least a significant part of feminism.

Despite their influence, this is not to say the Redstockings started it all singlehandedly. Still, their manifesto gives a capsule summary of what radical feminism was at the time and would morph into later. Although it’s a Second Wave document, it contains kernels of the ideology by other varieties in recent times. This foundational text begins with a preamble about the “final liberation from male supremacy”. (Okie dokie…) Then:

Item 2 – Class consciousness

"Women are an oppressed class. Our oppression is total, affecting every facet of our lives."

This whopper shows Firestone’s inclination—one shared with many others—for taking Communist rhetoric and adapting it to feminism. This makes it—big surprise—an instance of cultural Marxism. The considerations of economics and actual social class that orthodox Communists were concerned with get left behind. This was, in fact, one of the reasons for the schisms in New York’s feminist scene.
One of the fascinating things about the last few years is the transition of many apolitical Game writers and sites to politically conscious Alt-Right and Alt-Lite perspectives. This is significant, because all of the writers involved are entirely accustomed to being mobbed and assailed by the mainstream media, so they're not inclined to cuck and run like most conservatives are when faced with criticism.

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49 Comments:

Anonymous Eduardo March 15, 2017 8:47 AM  

Feminism has always been Marxism for the sexes.

Do you really think the First Wave was "different" then today's feminists? They were just the first step into what we see today.

Anonymous Reenay March 15, 2017 8:54 AM  

The worst part of feminism is the same as the worst part of communism: it's not so much the feminist/communist as it is the traitors who enable and provide cover for the feminist/communist. Hence cuckservatives.

Blogger The Kurgan March 15, 2017 8:54 AM  

Basically this IS a prison planet and the brainwashing will continue until morale improves.
Cultural Marxism, and all its offshoots like feminism, is literally a mental illness.
It just so happens that there are a LOT more mentally ill people than you generally think there are.
Add that to the stupid people and it's a pretty dim set of parameters.
Still.
A sane man can indeed cut a path through such lizard-monkeys as long as he's not worried about getting some ichor all over his body armour.

Blogger Yarnwinder March 15, 2017 9:00 AM  

It seems like communism seeks out all the 'victims' of the world and panders to them. Women have all the rights men do, so why are they still marchin' and bitchin'?

Blogger dc.sunsets March 15, 2017 9:13 AM  

It's all about Diversity Pokemon Points (DPP's.)

The Theocratic Cult elevates Muh Happiness to the highest ideal, and (s)he with the most DPP's gets to subsume all others' happiness.

The unhappy wife? She has more DPP's than hubby or kids, so she gets to frivorce because her happiness is more valued than that of husband and kids.

Black person has more DPP's than whitey, of course, hence Affirmative Action's redistribution of economic opportunity from product-output dominant to making the DPP winner happier.

Of course, it gets difficult when there's a battle between those with more DPP's. Does a lesbian white have more DPP's than a black female? Is a black, M2F tranny lesbian higher than a paraplegic Mexican single-mom illegal who is bi?

This band is playing even as the water washes up the foredeck. When Unnatural (Political) Selection gives up and Natural Selection reasserts, I cringe at the "clean-up on aisle seven" problem awaiting us. Where will we pile all those corpses?

Anonymous BBGKB March 15, 2017 9:24 AM  

It's all about Diversity Pokemon Points (DPP's.)

When I came out to one couple they couldn't wait to tell people they had a gay friend that eats steak & isn't afraid of weapons.

Related: Someone one uped based stick man https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/feminists-witches-try-burn-catholic-cathedral/

Blogger dc.sunsets March 15, 2017 9:25 AM  

In any time, beliefs are chosen to provide rationalization of actions.

Feminism was a belief allowing women to rationalize their impulsive behaviors, e.g., immediate gratification and utter narcissism.

Immediate gratification/narcissism is a vice (action taken in the immediate expectation of happiness but that on the whole produces misery.) It is the polar opposite of devotion, and precludes devotion to spouse, to children, to community, to God (if religious.)

Feminism tells women to be devoted to themselves. But its embrace rests on a pre-conscious addiction to present-mindedness, and the embrace that resources (even love and the devotion of OTHERS) are free for the taking, requiring of zero investment or commitment.

When the transition to a declining social mood turns to unequivocal downtrend, I cannot WAIT to see how feminism fares, given that women are significantly more high-spectrum for herding.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer March 15, 2017 9:29 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:
This band is playing even as the water washes up the foredeck. When Unnatural (Political) Selection gives up and Natural Selection reasserts, I cringe at the "clean-up on aisle seven" problem awaiting us. Where will we pile all those corpses?


This is what really concerns me. I know things will get dicey but I think I have better than even odds of pulling through it. My concern is the vast number of people who have no basic living/survival skills. Further more they have been pumped up into thinking they are skilled and don't need to learn anything new. When the corpses pile up how are we going to dispose of them and are there going to be enough of us to put a decently functional society back together?

Blogger Lovekraft March 15, 2017 9:32 AM  

A healthy, viable political movement should ensure that its fringe does not hijack it. Feminism is a classic example of inadequate checks and balances - a scourge of bitter, entitled man-haters and confused over-medicated manginas.

Which is why Vox pressing the morale issue is so important.

Side note: was thinking of an analogy to bridge the alt-white and alt-west divide. Here goes:

The alt-right advances on the enemy, taking higher casualties but doing what needs to be done.

The alt-west's function is to ensure the alt-right warriors have a home to come back to.

As for the alt-light? Irrelevant. Useful as advance probes.

Blogger James Higham March 15, 2017 9:33 AM  

From time to time, this needs reaffirming.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 15, 2017 9:41 AM  

are there going to be enough of us to put a decently functional society back together?

Undoubtedly. Remember, we see (reported) only a tiny slice of available "data." We see (reported) the most extreme outliers.

Just as the News/Entertainment Nexus convinces John Q Public that 33% of people are gay/lez, we are all brainwashed into grossly underestimating how many people are actually "normal" if just beneath the veneer of go-along-get-along-with-PC.

Tens of millions of Americans threw off that veneer to elect Trump. Add an unequivocal bookend to this generations-long period of mindless social mood mania and tens of millions MORE will follow.

There are few Left-Cult zealots. Their prominence (MSM, Universities, Entertainment) causes us to grossly overestimate their numbers and their power. The latter only exists because they marched in front of the bandwagon, but the NEVER actually directed its path. As the bandwagon peels away, those who behave as sock puppets to these clowns will shift their beliefs like a flock of birds banks right.

Anonymous BBGKB March 15, 2017 9:47 AM  

Just as the News/Entertainment Nexus convinces John Q Public that 33% of people are gay/lez

A single black volunteer was all that was interviewed on last nights national evening news for the part of the nation affected by the recent blizzard. No wonder 84 lumber made a commercial about a latino picking up litter.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Hair March 15, 2017 9:53 AM  

Derived from Marxism, you say? Well hello Yackie...

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 15, 2017 10:00 AM  

The Left is a woman, thinks like a woman, acts like a woman (not including the colored national socialists) so approach it like you have GAME, don't be a chinless low T cuck.

Blogger bob kek mando ( Death To The Boor-geois, Keks To The Lol-etariat ) March 15, 2017 10:00 AM  

4. Yarnwinder March 15, 2017 9:00 AM
so why are they still marchin' and bitchin'?


because Marxism is weaponized political psychopathy.

https://illimitablemen.com/tag/cluster-b/

Anonymous Just another commenter March 15, 2017 10:03 AM  

@8 - comm'on, Castalia House <a href='http://www.amazon.com/Compost-Everything-Guide-Extreme-Composting/dp/9527065569">already published that book</a>. it might take a while, but nature takes care of these things in due course.

Anonymous vfm #0202 March 15, 2017 10:18 AM  

DC Sunsets - please would you post some onramp references to your cyclic social mood conceptual basis. It's interesting enough I want to form my own opinions.

Blogger Some Dude March 15, 2017 10:29 AM  

Read Fuererstein's Wiki. She has full on Schizophrenia.

The greatness of Steinhem and Fuererstein...much like their male agents, sorry, citizens, was saying to the social outcast, the 'oppressed' or whatever order demon from the depths of hell - IT IS YOU WHO ARE NOBLE. YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONES!

Blogger Silly But True March 15, 2017 10:33 AM  

@0202,
Not your precise question, but one way to gauge where the left's next attack / target will be is to constantly reassess the Victim Value Index for the various competing groups:

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-minority-victim-value-index.html?m=1

Anonymous Grayman March 15, 2017 10:42 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:It's all about Diversity Pokemon Points (DPP's.)

…….This band is playing even as the water washes up the foredeck. When Unnatural (Political) Selection gives up and Natural Selection reasserts, I cringe at the "clean-up on aisle seven" problem awaiting us. Where will we pile all those corpses?


Ask Stalin and Mao. Stalin managed 10+million in Holodomor and perhaps as high as 20 million throughout the Russian empire. Mao planned on killing 50 million peasants as part of his “agrarian reform” and about 40 million died over a 4 year period, he followed through. For lots of fun numbers: http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm

And people say you can remove all the immigrants from the US or from Europe? The communist regimes would see that as warm up!!!

Anonymous Grayman March 15, 2017 10:47 AM  

basementhomebrewer wrote:dc.sunsets wrote:

This band is playing even as the water washes up the foredeck. When Unnatural (Political) Selection gives up and Natural Selection reasserts, I cringe at the "clean-up on aisle seven" problem awaiting us. Where will we pile all those corpses?


This is what really concerns me. I know things will get dicey but I think I have better than even odds of pulling through it. My concern is the vast number of people who have no basic living/survival skills. Further more they have been pumped up into thinking they are skilled and don't need to learn anything new. When the corpses pile up how are we going to dispose of them and are there going to be enough of us to put a decently functional society back together?



Better start building your personal relationships within your local community and way beyond the occasional crossing of paths in the grocery store. When it hits the fan the only people who will have your back are those in your local community that you have built trust with. Look at history and how many neighbors have turned each other over to the death squads in the night just to save their own hide. Trust will be a highly valued and very rare commodity.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 15, 2017 10:57 AM  

@17 Here are some references for the subject.
http://www.socionomics.net/
http://www.socionomics.net/learn-about-socionomics/
http://www.socionomics.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/nutshell-2.pdf

Please note that some of the "historical" publications clearly reflect an end to the uptrend back in 2000. This is now obviously incorrect, and highlights the fact that while Socionomics is a promising hypothesis for understanding trends and trend changes in human history, it is fraught with opportunity to blow forecasts. We can know with considerable accuracy what will follow the trend we're in, but we cannot know in advance when the trend will change for certain.

Socionomics is very abstract. Its reversal of causality is completely unnatural in the sense that we are conditioned to believe history is like physics, a ball in motion stays in motion, even though it's clear that nature is saturated with trend and reversal. We don't still speak ancient languages of our ancestors for a reason.

I like it because it "fits" my experience, and it meshes with biology.
http://www.socionomics.net/2011/10/prechter-on-neurobiology-fighting-fleeing-fing-thats-flocking-etc/

Blogger Student in Blue March 15, 2017 11:03 AM  

@5 dc.sunsets
Of course, it gets difficult when there's a battle between those with more DPP's. Does a lesbian white have more DPP's than a black female? Is a black, M2F tranny lesbian higher than a paraplegic Mexican single-mom illegal who is bi?

It's only difficult if you're taking them at their word.

Realistically, the black woman wins over the white lesbian because "fuck whitey", and paraplegic bi Mexican single-mom wins over MtF tranny because most of them are also unsettled by trannies, and women in general don't accept them as being "real women". So intrinsically they'd value the actual woman.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer March 15, 2017 11:03 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:are there going to be enough of us to put a decently functional society back together?

Undoubtedly. Remember, we see (reported) only a tiny slice of available "data." We see (reported) the most extreme outliers.

Just as the News/Entertainment Nexus convinces John Q Public that 33% of people are gay/lez, we are all brainwashed into grossly underestimating how many people are actually "normal" if just beneath the veneer of go-along-get-along-with-PC.

Tens of millions of Americans threw off that veneer to elect Trump. Add an unequivocal bookend to this generations-long period of mindless social mood mania and tens of millions MORE will follow.

There are few Left-Cult zealots. Their prominence (MSM, Universities, Entertainment) causes us to grossly overestimate their numbers and their power. The latter only exists because they marched in front of the bandwagon, but the NEVER actually directed its path. As the bandwagon peels away, those who behave as sock puppets to these clowns will shift their beliefs like a flock of birds banks right.


I agree there a large number of normal people exist. My concern is how many of these normal people are capable of providing for themselves if they were forced into that situation. The lack of basic knowledge around how things work, let alone the ability of many people to work on anything mechanical or competently perform manual labor is frightening.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 15, 2017 11:04 AM  

Socionomics on music and movies (AKA pop culture.)
https://youtu.be/2XRQMqEfUTQ

Blogger Sheila4g March 15, 2017 11:11 AM  

Since I attended a women's college which had, unfortunately, been home to a few of the more well known of the (((feminists))), I heard a great deal about feminism and grrrl power during my four years. The emphasis remained on the 19th century pioneers, however, the original bluestockings, none of whom (to my knowledge), were ethnically related to the later group. I do recall one of my favorite English professors, an older southern gentleman, who absolutely loathed one of the ugliest of the later infamous harridans. Said her personality was even worse than her fugly appearance.

Anonymous Grayman March 15, 2017 11:12 AM  

basementhomebrewer wrote:dc.sunsets wrote:
My concern is how many of these normal people are capable of providing for themselves if they were forced into that situation. The lack of basic knowledge around how things work, let alone the ability of many people to work on anything mechanical or competently perform manual labor is frightening.


Yes there will be enough left to put things back together. No it won’t be pretty. The “normal” crowd will not fare well. Perhaps not the best example, but look at what happened in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. Very few people, “normal” or not, have any preparation (mental, physical or psychological) for the environment they will have to survive in once our complex system of modern society is disrupted.
Most people have no clue how to feed themselves if it’s not on the grocery store shelf, or how to get clean drinking water besides from the faucet, or basic wound care etc.

Educate yourself and your family, dont be one of the zombie horde.

Blogger Vikki Wilson March 15, 2017 11:15 AM  

Feminism was strangled at birth by Marxists.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 15, 2017 11:16 AM  

@24, I have hope and optimism because I believe there is a lot of impetus to innovation and cooperation when they're necessary to survival.

I think the Zombie Apocalypse is unnatural and not just because the dead don't walk. It is simply not the way people are wired.

It doesn't take vast acreage under cultivation to feed people. It doesn't require coordination directed from the National or State Capitals to instill order (at least outside of New Orleans and other highly urbanized zones.) People are very DIY when pressed, at least those who are culturally inclined to produce the Historic American Nation.

I imagine that people will fare okay, locally, in part because they'll find subject-matter experts to lead them and they'll RUTHLESSLY eject anyone whose cultural proclivities are anti-civilization.

I also think that unlike under Mao and Stalin, it will be the Right taking over the coercive machinery of the state. Leftists are the ones who will break millions of eggs to make their Utopian omelet. Rightists are known for a more nuanced, complete, moral gestalt. It may be as simple as ending the Diversity Pokemon Point game and exterminating a few of those who object by rioting, and then everyone else settles down and goes along to get along (and not get added to the shallow grave detail.)

It's not Doom and Gloom. We need to stop listening to the lunatics who gaslighted us into going along with this BS.

Anonymous Lit Dog March 15, 2017 11:46 AM  

Feminism is but one of the many tools of Cultural Marxism and Cultural Marxism itself is just one of the tools of anti-Whites.

As to feminism, for half a century they taught that women never lie about rape while simultaneously biblicizing To Kill a Mockingbird— a novel in which a woman does in fact lie about rape. For half a century, they taught that women shouldn’t be submissive even as they encouraged White women to be submissive to Blacks as an act of defiance against the White patriarchy. And now, feminists ignore the rape epidemic in White countries caused by the non-White invasion they themselves support.

After the death of Harper Lee a year ago, I wrote a piece about TKAM. In part, it questions whether she had help crafting her anti-White bible.

www.theoccidentalobserver.net/author/duke-dougherty

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky March 15, 2017 11:52 AM  

Of course feminism and Marxism go hand-in-hand. This was evident from the first day on campus when I arrived there in the eighties. On the faculties they were exactly the same. Boy Marxists were called Marxists. Girl Marxists were called feminists. We only had two genders back then, they were just getting started on "normalizing queer theory" and all that pile of bullfeathers.

And that same pack of frothing retards is still in charge of the schools, the government activists, the unions, the Democrat Party, the racial grievance groups, the newsrooms ... All The Usual Suspects.

Blogger Durandel Almiras March 15, 2017 12:12 PM  

@29 dc.sunsets

I have a question for you and others can chime in. I've always felt that if a people refuse to discipline themselves, then external discipline will need to be applied. Do you think, going forward, some time of harsh system will need to be in place in order to get Westerns back into being disciplined, virtuous, and heroic or will a crappy environment be enough to get people to reembrace those and other eucivic behaviors?

I think a purge, a cleanse, will be needed. And a government that would be judged by the modern Left as harsh will be needed to reinstate virtue, proper freedom (rather than license), and heavy but just punishment of vice. I don't see a rough environment being enough to obliterate cultural Marxism.

Anonymous DaveInjustice March 15, 2017 12:13 PM  

Obesity is usually something bad, but Dworkins suicide by cheeseburger was probably the best thing she could've done for society.

Anonymous BbigGayKoranBurner March 15, 2017 12:25 PM  

lack of basic knowledge around how things work, let alone the ability of many people to work on anything mechanical or competently perform manual labor is frightening.

There are free PDFs for how to bring civilization back, what to do if no doctor/dentist purifying water ect. You could get a low power requiring black/white e-reader & a small portable solar battery recharger & have all of that info at your fingertips. If you fear EMP/CME put one set of that in a metal trash can with cardboard lining its inside with aluminum foil around the rim. Survivalblog.com 's back archives can all fit on a USB drive(archive link on the bottom right side of ads). You can buy a 32BG flash drive at staples for under $10 now.

If you have more money than time you can get all that with 2 terabits of data from http://xlcyber.com/

The most important thing is to flee Die Verse City to Whitopia preferably somewhere with decent rainfall/water. Artesian well even better. Given how fragile our infrastructure and Just in Time delivery set up is there could be an 80% die off. Many people would kill themselves before going on a diet like this http://seasonedcitizenprepper.com/feed-a-family-of-4-for-1-year-for-less-than-300/

After Hurricane Sandy hit NYC you could have had liberals that don't believe in carrying cash blowing you in the street to charge their cellphones with a portable solar charger. They make ones that the solar cells float if a folding 2 man oceangoing kayak is in your escape plan.

Anonymous grumblr March 15, 2017 12:51 PM  

Quick OT aside... I think a lot of people here probably have a rather low opinion of John Lennon. I believe he was sort of a political idiot, but a sincere one. But I also think he was a great rock and roller and a great artist, and also a first-class humorist and satirist. And about a half hour ago, I came across some found footage of Lennon in NYC: he's wearing a stethoscope, and using it to listen to the sidewalk. Now come on, THAT's funny.

Anonymous WaterBoy March 15, 2017 1:33 PM  

Women are TOO funny, and it's only because of men's oppression that Amy Schumer's Netflix special was slammed by viewers.

Muh Ghostbusters oppression, too.

Anonymous grumblr March 15, 2017 1:40 PM  

@36: weirdly, I really dislike Amy Schumer's standup act, but I thought her film "Trainwreck" was very good and very funny in some weird profound way she doesn't normally otherwise channel. Maybe it was Apatow's influence, he's a pretty sharp dude. Who knows.

Normally I would be inclined to say that Amy Schumer is categorically not funny, but Trainwreck presents strong evidence to the contrary.

One nevah knows, do one?

Anonymous Damn Crackers March 15, 2017 1:46 PM  

It's always great to see people's eyes light up when I tell them Feminism did much more damage to Western Civilization than National Socialism.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 15, 2017 1:52 PM  

@32 I have a question for you and others can chime in. I've always felt that if a people refuse to discipline themselves, then external discipline will need to be applied. Do you think, going forward, some time of harsh system will need to be in place in order to get Westerns back into being disciplined, virtuous, and heroic or will a crappy environment be enough to get people to reembrace those and other eucivic behaviors?


Well, we're all just guessing, right?

We agree that good habits will make a comeback. How? Two ways: adoption by survivors and culling of those who don't adopt them.

What will be the source of the coercion? Leftists use the state to coerce people into being New Socialist (or Progressivist) Man.

We're very accustomed to the Leftist (Nanny) state preempting Nature's normal coercion. For example, the birthrate imbalance between smart/low-time-preference people and stupid/high-time-preference people is unnatural, an artifact of the Marxist Welfare State.

I see as possibilities that (1) the Right takes over the state and stops subsidizing stupid, and Nature resumes her normal culling of stupid under difficult conditions (which could include famine, pandemic, warfare, whatever) or (2) the central state fades in significance such that local conditions matter a great deal, and at that local level you see considerable top-down regimentation.

It could be a mix of all this, of course, but my guess is that traditional mores, virtues, sex roles, etc., largely make a spontaneous comeback because the loons that insist on ignoring their real value will either be eaten, die of disease, starve to death, suicide or simply sit down and die in place.

tl:dr version: Survivors will resurrect good sense and good sense will pick survivors. The source of the culling won't matter that much, whether it's just Nature or she gets some help from organized men.

Just my $0.02, worth every penny.

Anonymous User March 15, 2017 2:34 PM  

Watchy Roissy's transition from degenerate to white nationalist has been a thing of beauty. And he's brought many along for the ride by effectively pacing and leading.

Anonymous Grayman March 15, 2017 2:51 PM  

@39 DC

Given that the majority of the leftist supporters are urban whites and minorities, and that those minority supporters are disproportionately dependent of welfare and government support, any disruption of the normal support systems have a much greater impact on the leftist.
Whether it is SNAP (food stamps) going down due to a cyber attack, or critical infrastructure in the major urban areas being disrupted, Darwin comes for the urban centers first.



(1) the Right takes over the state and stops subsidizing stupid, and Nature resumes her normal culling of stupid under difficult conditions (which could include famine, pandemic, warfare, whatever) or

Interesting question. Will the reconstituted nation be willing to watch the poor breed and let their babies die, a very uncomfortable matter of affairs for most. or will the nation require those on assistance to be on some sort of birth control such as norplant or depro provera. The poor generally out breed the successful, historically the difference was the survival rate was higher for the successful families. Modern society has leveled the playing field from an infant survival perspective and as such that feedback mechanism is gone. Does society step up and put a new feedback mechanism in place. Enforced birth control is probably the least unpleasant method.

Blogger buwaya March 15, 2017 3:04 PM  

Robert Stacy McCain has been engaged in a substantial research project on the intellectual roots and nature of academic feminism, and all this is material he has covered over the last six-seven years. He has a great deal on Shulamith Firestone among many others.

http://theothermccain.com/

He has written an initial collection of his research, which is intended to be a sort of down-payment on a more comprehensive work -

https://www.amazon.com/Sex-Trouble-Radical-Feminism-Against/dp/1508613745

Anonymous WaterBoy March 15, 2017 3:13 PM  

Durandel Almiras @32: "I've always felt that if a people refuse to discipline themselves, then external discipline will need to be applied. Do you think, going forward, some time of harsh system will need to be in place in order to get Westerns back into being disciplined, virtuous, and heroic or will a crappy environment be enough to get people to reembrace those and other eucivic behaviors?"

The latter, to a certain degree...though it really depend to a large extent on what the future looks like: a mostly unchanged image of what it is now, or a post-war version akin to The Postman.

The description you give for option A -- a government that would be judged by the modern Left as harsh will be needed to reinstate virtue, proper freedom (rather than license), and heavy but just punishment of vice -- is precisely what the Muslims do in countries like Saudi Arabia, with their Religious Police. That will never work in this country, if it remains intact. And if it fractures, some version of the moral code implemented by General Bethlehem might bear the results you seek. Until it's overthrown, that is.

And, as always there are associated issues:
- Who makes the rules? One man's line in the sand is often not far enough for some, while being too far for others.
- Who watches for rulebreakers? Especially tricky with subjective infractions.
- Who watches the watchers? Power corrupts.

I tend to think that an internal, community-based approach (shaming and ostracism) might be better than an external, government-based system. But that only works on a small-scale.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 15, 2017 4:39 PM  

Prototypical radical feminist (((Shulamith Firestone))) died insane and alone in her apartment and was partially eaten by her cats.

True story, brah.

Blogger DrAndroSF March 15, 2017 6:14 PM  

Although it is a psychological ad feminam argument, I maintain that feminism, regardless of "wave" is driven by envy of men and resentment against nature. Ms. Feuerstein's death, as mentioned by Mr Snidely Whiplash, is a fittingly macabre result. She explicitly tied the patriarchal oppression of women to female biology, aka, the capacity of bearing children. An idea she found repulsive. Why do so many feminists hate Mother Nature?

Blogger Happy LP9 March 15, 2017 8:14 PM  

Feminism remains evil, FAILED, antichrist, anti family, anti woman, anti man, anti child, its a form of hypnotic mind control that Milo and Katie Hopkins has exposed along with Vox's SJWAL: See Berkley.

F'ism is programmed to turn us from our God, fathers, brothers and eventual good husbands to keep us pimp broken women given to the state that rapes women, women to the vast degree do not belong at work as this displaces our men from those jobs but we live in an era where I have to work 4 to 5 jobs; teaching yoga, ballet, art, actuary work, cursive handwriting or calligraphy then go home to farm and prep b/c there is no WAY for single women to afford Krogers.

To call me an atheist (women need God, men can do whatever but we are different from me, we need Christ as women) or feminist or traitor to our allies would be an devastation unto me.

Our main goal or one gig; wifery, motherhood and remain married to love and honor our Lord, honor our spouse and be FAMILY CENTRIC! No divorces, solid communication and commitment to being contented in complex times, happiness is a place women visit considering lady solipsism.

Anonymous Luke March 15, 2017 8:28 PM  

28. Vikki Wilson March 15, 2017 11:15 AM
"Feminism was strangled at birth by Marxists."
More like Marxism was an orc-draught (LOTR reference) for feminism.

Blogger John rockwell March 15, 2017 8:39 PM  

Vikki Wilson wrote:Feminism was strangled at birth by Marxists.

Feminism is egalitarianism and anti-patriarchy in all forms before marxism. Therefore feminism is evil and antichrist.

Anonymous Mr. Rational March 16, 2017 2:02 AM  

Grayman wrote:Will the reconstituted nation be willing to watch the poor breed and let their babies die, a very uncomfortable matter of affairs for most. or will the nation require those on assistance to be on some sort of birth control such as norplant or depro provera.
I'm all for Progestasert, Depo-Provera and whatever supplanted Norplant.  I'm fine with abortion if those fail or are evaded.  I am not fine with the unfit breeding to be supported by the fit who can't pay for the children of their own that they want.

The phenomenon of the past was that Malthus kept the poor so close to starvation that the underclass females were just not very fertile.  If we are not willing to keep the ghetto denizens on a similar razor's edge of nutrition, we have to apply some fertility-limiting substitute or suffer the consequences.

Seriously, what's wrong with putting RU-486 into all the malt liquor and Hennessy?

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